tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post112313596789117413..comments2024-02-23T03:28:33.435-05:00Comments on Culture Industry: More grandipoiesisMark Scrogginshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01431113440875342809noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-1123215721931410792005-08-05T00:22:00.000-04:002005-08-05T00:22:00.000-04:00Mark - I like this ongoing discussion, though I do...Mark - I like this ongoing discussion, though I do think it may be beneficial to occasionally take it down to micro comparisons: a line of Crane next to one of RJ's next to CO etc. In other words, the tendency to make the overarching statement re any of these guys tends to forsake what might make things more transparenet and concrete with the quote of a line or two. Going on the assumption here that what is true in the large abstract sense will also be manifest in the local manifestation. Otherwise I think things fade into "the grandiose sweep" of big statements. <BR/>"Just the facts, ma'am."<BR/>Stephen VAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-1123192831332651512005-08-04T18:00:00.000-04:002005-08-04T18:00:00.000-04:00Come on now, Henry, you didn't think it would be t...Come on now, Henry, you didn't think it would be <I>that</I> easy to find out, did you?Kasey Mohammadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13353259413006470925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-1123177250066670452005-08-04T13:40:00.000-04:002005-08-04T13:40:00.000-04:00Kasey, is there a Shriner's club for poets? What'...Kasey, is there a Shriner's club for poets? What's the Secret Handshake of the 3rd Degree?Henry Gouldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06763188178644726622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-1123175676935168892005-08-04T13:14:00.000-04:002005-08-04T13:14:00.000-04:00I admire and enjoy Crane a great deal too. I know...I admire and enjoy Crane a great deal too. I know what you mean about the romantic angst, but he pulls it off for me in the same way that, say, Morrissey does. Well, maybe not quite that well, but nearly.<BR/><BR/>I think Crane is the second stage of gateway poet, on the same level as Stevens, Auden, maybe Barbara Guest and assorted "ellipticist" poets. The big difference between second-stage gateway poets and first-stage gateway poets is that there are critical arguments for not "moving on" to a third stage which may be considered cogent, if not persuasive, by those who have themselves gone to a third stage, in a way that arguments made by persons who have not gone past a first stage will not be to either second- or third-stagers. Also, third-stage readers are probably statistically more likely to continue engaging with second-stage gateway poets than either third- or second-stagers are to continue engaging with first-stage gateway poets.<BR/><BR/>"I've got it all written down. I'll show you sometime."<BR/>--Navin R. JohnsonKasey Mohammadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13353259413006470925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-1123169491914207802005-08-04T11:31:00.000-04:002005-08-04T11:31:00.000-04:00Jennifer Moxley came up to me at one conference or...Jennifer Moxley came up to me at one conference or another, after I'd given a paper on Yvor Winters in which I'd mentioned Winters' disaproval of Crane's poetry. "I love Hart Crane," she said "and his poetry means everything to me." I think I can see why, when I read her work, so let's file her with Henry as a Crane-ite under 50.<BR/><BR/>Jet-lagged and disoriented, but back in the USA,<BR/><BR/>BobArchambeauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17273511539172747550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-1123164241259370822005-08-04T10:04:00.000-04:002005-08-04T10:04:00.000-04:00Ahem.Yeah.<A HREF="http://www.megaera.org/Megaera/fall04/hanson.html" REL="nofollow">Ahem.</A><BR/><BR/>Yeah.Josh Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072181113771913036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-1123158813368584982005-08-04T08:33:00.000-04:002005-08-04T08:33:00.000-04:00me me!I'm reading Hart Crane___(and Henry Gould)a...me me!<BR/><BR/>I'm reading Hart Crane___<BR/>(and Henry Gould)<BR/>and Alice Notley<BR/><BR/>in the midst of <BR/>seeking what wets my whistle<BR/>to make a long poem<BR/>of my own____<BR/><BR/>all of the above<BR/>resonating so much more<BR/>harmonically than<BR/>LZ or CO<BR/>or EPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com