tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post545363863137974493..comments2024-02-23T03:28:33.435-05:00Comments on Culture Industry: Janet Holmes: The Ms of My KinMark Scrogginshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01431113440875342809noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-49493144564404182972009-08-17T23:31:00.255-04:002009-08-17T23:31:00.255-04:00No doubt the analogy to the erasure of e.g. Sappho...No doubt the analogy to the erasure of e.g. Sappho by time and abuse of papyrus has been drawn before.Vance Maverickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07477306994564623348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-21760833819405967122009-08-17T22:46:40.741-04:002009-08-17T22:46:40.741-04:00That's the problem (for me at least) -- I iden...That's the problem (for me at least) -- I identify the erasure thang so deeply with RJ that Cage's own in some ways rather more interesting procedures hadn't even crossed my mind.<br /><br />I must say tho that Holmes's book is for me inescapably Johnsonian, & I think the locus of that is the decision to preserve page positions of the remaining words. A rough typology for me: erasing others' words while preserving spacing: Johnsonian; erasing others' words & doing anything else (mesostics, word-count lines [LZ]): not Johnsonian.Mark Scrogginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01431113440875342809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-78290500788132966522009-08-17T22:33:43.261-04:002009-08-17T22:33:43.261-04:00Yes, you might want to disengage the process of er...Yes, you might want to disengage the process of erasure from Ronald Johnson, the particular poet. On the other hand, to what extent could he claim ownership of his and our erasers?susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16934944559857117395noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-60170813066412990142009-08-16T18:50:25.876-04:002009-08-16T18:50:25.876-04:00What do you make of Cage's "Writing Throu...What do you make of Cage's "Writing Through..." pieces? <a href="http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/cage-ginsberg.html" rel="nofollow">On first blush</a>, they would seem to go even further in treating the sources as mere raw material, and yet (the sort of "paradox" characteristic of Cage) their effect is sometimes more openly "about" the source works than are Johnson, Phillips, Zukofsky, Holmes.Vance Maverickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07477306994564623348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11295909.post-55458613986454679852009-08-16T16:54:27.555-04:002009-08-16T16:54:27.555-04:00If only one had the bankroll necessary to build a ...If only one had the bankroll necessary to build a bookshelf with all of these tomes of literary significance... <br /><br />I can tell you - even sitting far on the right side of the aisle, this "book report(?)" sets an intrigue for me as to the whole of Ms. Holmes' collection.Jere Hodgesnoreply@blogger.com